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Friday, April 19, 2024
9 mins

'Interesting' takes...

by Rab Clark

The comments we've been gathering recently have all been from Wings Over Scotland. Right now the site is as busy as ever and another landmark post, appearing yesterday, is the fruition of years of dogged work for which Rev. Stuart Campbell is rightly receiving many plaudits. We all look forward to seeing how things will pan out now that a formal charge has finally been made and the prospect of WOS being nominated for a raft of journalism awards.

In the meantime, we can only wonder how long it will take for some Sturgeon loyalists to finally concede that they were gulled.

Evidence of denial is nowhere more obvious than below-the-line at Wee Ginger Dug, the long-running blog by Paul Kavanagh.

(It's worth noting that most of WGD's btl commenters are ex-Wings regulars.)

Labour’s Scottish branch office: the most dishonest party in Scottish politics « Wee Ginger Dug (wordpress.com)

Reproduced below are the comments made on WGD following yesterday's announcement that Peter Murrell had been charged. They are C&Ped exactly as they appeared, with no omissions. It should also be noted that the post to which these comments are responding was not about the arrest - so far as we're aware Paul Kavanagh has made no comment on the development.

We leave it to readers to form their own judgement as to the general thrust of the 'arguments' being presented here.

Alex Clark says:

April 18, 2024 at 7:36 pm

Peter Murrell has been charged.

scottish_skier says:

April 18, 2024 at 8:20 pm

Which puts the SNP in the clear.

Any talk of the ‘The SNP’s murky finances’ ends today. They are cleared (short of mass arrests of the entire party :-))

Now it’s about whether one man – one that nobody’s ever heard of, who previously managed the office – was up to no good behind his colleagues’ backs or not.

This might not seem like a blow for the union, but it actually is.

If just one man (or maybe 2 people?) is charged, 99.999% of the party is exonerated. They took donations in good faith. They used these for the purpose intended etc. They can be trusted.

They are the victims of the crime the police say has happened.

Just like that, the SNP turn from the alleged perpetrator (according to the media), to the victim (according to Police Scotland).

Which I’ve said is exactly what would happen if anyone was ever charged.

The SNP trial on this ends when the police finish charging people. Which may well be today.

Eilidh says:

April 19, 2024 at 1:32 am

So they actually released a statement to that font of Truth and Knowledge X aka Twitter. How very convenient.

Handandshrimp says:

April 18, 2024 at 7:45 pm

Presumably the police were faced with making a charge or looking foolish. Punting it to the Prosecution will take the pressure off the police. It will now be the Prosecution’s problem. They may take it to court or they may not. Unfortunately this will now likely drag on for months more.

I can’t but help feel that this has the hallmark of MI5 black ops.

scottish_skier says:

April 18, 2024 at 8:28 pm

I can’t but help feel that this has the hallmark of MI5 black ops.

If so, they’ve just cleared the SNP of wrongdoing just ahead of key election. That would be their kind of level of total incompetence.

I’ll let the jury decide, but I won’t be surprised if they basically throw the case out like they did with Salmond.

Handandshrimp says:

April 18, 2024 at 7:53 pm

Somewhat ironically the unionists were all primed to go mega over climate targets and Peter has kicked that all into touch.

scottish_skier says:

April 18, 2024 at 8:06 pm

Ok, so PM’s been charged with embezzlement.

This puts the SNP in the clear in terms of any wrongdoing, unless that is, the current leadership are all charged too!

The question is now whether the former office manager is guilty of helping himself or not, with the SNP the biggest victim if he was.

As it stands, the police are saying they believe I, and all the other members / donators have been defrauded, not by the SNP, but by one of their former employees. The party itself is innocent, and faces no charges.

Unless Sturgeon is charged too, expect any hit from Branchform on the SNP politically to start unwinding fast. If she is, then it may be a bit slower.

It’s now no longer about the SNP. They are in the clear.

I’ll let the jury decide on PM like they did with Salmond.

scottish_skier says:

April 18, 2024 at 8:37 pm

There you have it. The BBC squirms as it is forced to name the alleged victim. Just like that. The whole thing is turned on its head.

This is the problem when you lie and mislead, it will come back to haunt you.


The husband of former First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has been charged in connection with the embezzlement of funds from the Scottish National Party.

I won’t pre-judge PM’s case, but that is where we are now. The SNP are cleared ahead of the election.

orkneystirling says:

April 18, 2024 at 8:45 pm

More nonsense and propaganda. Unionists agents trying to make more trouble again.

More people could vote SNP.

orkneystirling says:

April 18, 2024 at 8:48 pm

A crowdfund for donations? Or legal expenses.

scottish_skier says:

April 18, 2024 at 8:57 pm

I just donated to the SNP. If the charges have any basis, the wider party are my fellow victims and I will do my bit to help.

millsjames1949 says:

April 18, 2024 at 10:49 pm

Without doubt , regardless of the facts , the unionist media will STILL attempt to blacken the SNP/Scottish Government with all sorts of veiled (and not so veiled ) hints of skullduggery by Sturgeon / Yousaf /Me /You /anyone associated with the SNP/Independence .

Headlines tomorrow in the poisonous rags which masquerade as newspapers will emphasise STURGEON and SNP and attempt to convince the poor saps who buy this soon to be toilet paper that this is proof positive that , not only is Sturgeon guilty , the SNP complicit and the Independence movement tainted , but that she was on the Grassy Knoll in Dallas , Yousaf was her getaway driver using the infamous SNP Campervan and Independence supporters are responsible for the Great Depression , the sinking of the Titanic and England not winning the World Cup since 1966 !

Damn Jackie Balliol of the Labouring Party couldn’t keep the smirk off her coupon on the STV News as she waxed lyrical about the ”murky” SNP finances , while the Tory nonentity that is ….somebody I’ve never heard of…. urged the SNP to come clean and stop hindering the Police Investigation . Whit ? And people vote for these toerags ?

The Scottish media will be convulsed and in paroxysms of glee for weeks . GMS and Call me Kay with an ‘E’ will have a special phone-in where callers will have a dispensation from the laws governing contempt to throw as many made-up allegations against PM , Nicola Sturgeon , the SNP , the Scottish Government and Independence as they can cram into a specially extended edition, which will finish the day before the GE .

You have been warned !

Eilidh says:

April 18, 2024 at 11:47 pm

So the man who as late as last year was reported to be owed money by the Snp for loans he gave them has been charged with embezzling Snp funds. How bizarre .

In other news I have just heard from a friend that Sky News has reported that the newly suspended Tory MP Mark Menzies in an incident prior to recent one, got a dog drunk. Yes you read that last bit correctly. I think I have finally fell through the Looking Glass.

DrJim says:

April 19, 2024 at 12:24 am

At some point the reason and alleged evidence for the embezzlement charge will be made public then the embarrassment for the judiciary will hit the roof at just how thin this case is going to be, they’ll have to pick jurors from another planet to stitch this one up

I don’t reckon just pointing at a campervan and screaming guilty is going to do it

DrJim says:

April 19, 2024 at 12:31 am

I forgot to mention in this time of nuclear threat and war from around the world that Rishi Sunak the Prime Minister of the UK still thinks it’s none of Scotland’s First Minister’s business to bother briefing him on the state of Scotland’s defense seeing as the UK’s nuclear deterrent’s are located around the corner from the majority of the population of Scotland and our people would be the first to disappear in a large flash and puff of smoke even worse than Hiroshima and Nagasaki put together

Just sayin

scottish_skier says:

April 19, 2024 at 8:57 am

Just to say that, after being through the Salmond trial, I will not make any pre-judgments. I have no idea as to what PM did or didn’t do. I’m in no position to make any call whatsoever. I’ve never met the guy, and know only a few details of this case from the British press, which spends its time lying to me.

What I can say, is that if PM was helping himself, I’d want him f**king roasted over hot coals. Him and anyone else involved. Goes without saying. It’s not just about people’s donations, but about the future of our country. Any senior SNP up to no good could be damaging the cause; a cause which, thankfully, is so much greater than any one person.

Everyone else in the party will feel the same way. It’s natural when you are a victim of a crime, as the police say they believe the SNP may be.

The UK Crown Office will now decide if there is a case to be heard (yes, I know) and if so, a jury will make the judgement. The latter will have all the evidence presented to them, just as the jury in Salmond’s case did. The rest of us will not see pretty much any of this, so will be in no position to judge.

What the UK Crown Office cannot afford here is another Salmond case, i.e. an innocent (of any crime, not of being sleazy in Salmond’s case) SNP figure taken to court only for UKSC’s allegations to be found as without basis. They better be really confident in the evidence if they are to decide PM should be taken to court. His conviction would not harm the indy cause, but him being found innocent could do significant damage to unionism.

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